The Circular Economy Show Podcast

Redesigning food systems for nature to thrive

Episode Summary

Is there a better way to produce our food? Today, we circle back to one episode of our award-nominated Redesigning Food series in this episode. We’ll rediscover what a circular economy for food would look like, meet the people working to make it happen, and we’ll look at how it can be scaled to feed a growing population.

Episode Notes

Is there a better way to produce our food? Today, we circle back to one episode of our award-nominated Redesigning Food series in this episode. We’ll rediscover what a circular economy for food would look like, meet the people working to make it happen, and we’ll look at how it can be scaled to feed a growing population.

Find out more about the Big Food Redesign Challenge, which has now entered its production phase. Successful participants are working hard to turn their product designs into reality and will have the opportunity to bring products to market with supportive Challenge Retail Partners. 

Did you miss out on our Redesigning Food Series? Listen to the other 4 episodes on our website. Our podcast series 'Redesigning Food' has been shortlisted for Best Limited Series at the Lovie Awards 2023.

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Episode Transcription

Catherine Chong  00:03

Growing in a farm in Malaysia, in the 80s. Collectively, for all of the small scale farmers, we were encouraged to go into the intensive system whereby you either go for palm plantation, or in my dad's case, he was persuaded to join the machinery of poetry in pensee podium farming. For me, my experience my memory, and a very young child was that almost overnight, I was learning English by reading the labels of the agrichemical bottles, that my dad was asked to buy.

 

Pippa Shawley  00:53

For Catherine Chong industrialised farming changed her family's farm, from one abundant in biodiversity and wildlife, growing over 30 types of fruit, raising chickens and livestock to an industrialised one of multistory, chicken barns and agrichemicals that was dependent on loans. Her family's neighbours were persuaded to do the same. 

 

Catherine Chong  01:14

It was when I was going to university that over the course of a couple of weeks, all the poultry or other the chicken died in our farm. And we became my dad had to liquidate the farm, declared bankruptcy. And we became very, very poor, literally in the course of few weeks, and certainly if I didn't not have the scholarship to go to university, then I will struggle to see how we could have escaped that lifelong of, of poverty of destitute that was the reality that we were presented with.

 

Pippa Shawley  02:03

Welcome to the Circular Economy Show. In this series, we're heading into the archives of the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, circling back to conversations you might have missed the first time. I'm Pippa Shawley, and in today's episode, we're asking is there a better way to produce our food. This was part of our award nominated redesigning food series, which explored what a circular economy for food would look like, met the people working to make it happen, and looked at how it can be scaled to feed a growing population. We heard there from Katherine Chung and ecology social and governance advisor, about her experience of her family's move from small scale to industrialised farming. The foundations food lead renewer O'Donnell, explained how industrialised farming had become so widespread, and why we need to move away from this kind of food system.

 

Reniera O'Donnell  02:55

We have an incredibly efficient food system. It is highly industrialised it is it has been designed to grow a to feed a rapidly growing population across the globe. We can access all sorts of things at all times of the year. It's quite extractive, it is highly reliant on external inputs, such as synthetic fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides. So we've got a very efficient, highly industrialised reliant on sort of single crop farming food system.

 

Pippa Shawley  03:33

As we know from Catherine story, while this approach can generate high yields in the short term, it comes at a great cost, as Reniera explains.

 

Reniera O'Donnell  03:42

We know that globally, the way that we produce and consume food is responsible for third third of greenhouse gas emissions. So it's a lot and also for about half of human induced biodiversity loss, which again, you know, that's a massive impact on our natural environment. And so while the system is incredibly efficient at feeding a growing population, it is really not very effective at keeping our planet and our soils and our and our biodiversity healthy enough to continue feeding us in the long run. So it's a very extractive system. You know, it's very polluting very degrading to landscapes. We're seeing natural ecosystems being taken out of deforestation, for example, to make way for huge tracts of mono crop for cattle farming or for soy farming around the world. And so, I'll say that again, you know, we've got an incredibly efficient system, but it is not effective. 

 

Pippa Shawley  04:39

This intensive farming system has resulted in a race to the bottom where we are demanding greater volumes at lower prices. And it's not just farming. Our entire food system has been designed to sell a huge number of products. I asked Reniera to explain what we mean by design here. 

 

Reniera  04:57

I don't know about you, but I plan to plant vegetables in my garden every year. And I go off to the local garden shop and I look at all the seeds. And I have a choice in front of me I can I can plant F1 carrots that are orange, I can plant another variety that might be yellow, or I can choose a packet of heritage carrots which come out in purple, yellow, white, and orange. That is a design decision. And those sorts of design decisions are being made by every grower, every food manufacturer, every chocolate bar, box of cereal that is made, somebody somewhere is making a design decision on what it tastes like, what ingredients go into it, where do those ingredients get sourced from, and I guess importantly for this conversation, the systems in which those ingredients are grown.

 

Pippa Shawley  05:49

At the beginning of this episode, we heard from Katherine Chong, who grew up on her family's farm in Malaysia and saw it firsthand the devastating impact of industrialised farming on her own family and local area. After coming to the UK as a student, she now works as an ecology, social and governance advisor, helping companies investors and governments link corporate decisions to social and ecological impacts. She argues that our current food system is a failure of design.

 

Catherine Chong  06:19

Our food production is not designed by farmers and not designed for farmers, and many would argue is not designed for to meet the SDG goal of reducing hunger of providing us with the basic level of new trician. And so who are who are the people that are designing our food system. And when we look at that, and then we look at, we have to look at who's to take the the price, who's dictating what is being produced, how it is produced, which then feed on to the limited choice that not just farmers, but producers along the supply chain, have it formed a type of constraint whereby if I look at what I can buy, in order to make the food that I want to make, you know, say I'm a baker, it's also well, to say that I want to use grain that is produced in a way that's in harmony with nature, but are they available, and if we look at the way that we've been shopping, the places where we're able to shop and then what is put forward in front of us, I think many would argue that will argue against this myth that it is the market that decides it is the people it is a consumer that decides what gets grown. I argue that in many instances in many parts of the world, it is the larch manufacturers, the large retailers that tend to dictate what should be produced and at what price. And that is not to say that that is intrinsically wrong. But it does say that the decision making is not democratic decision making is not equitable. And it does not always translate to and definitely with an awareness of the environmental and social impact, but rather on who can get hold of what at the cheapest costs, to make sure that maximising shareholders is the immediate concern.

 

Pippa Shawley  08:35

So if the current system has been designed, can we design a better one? In 2021, the Ellen MacArthur Foundation launched the Big Food Redesign, offering a framework for circular design for food using the principles of a sector economy. Reniera unpacks, what that looks like when we think about ingredients.

 

Reniera O'Donnell  08:54

The framework really has four different parts to it. So underlying all of this is this need to move away from this kind of linear extractive farming model, and to look to models of farming, that regenerate soil health that regenerate biodiversity that bring back water quality and don't disturb air quality. So really thinking about how do we enable produce to be grown? And that's both crops and livestock. How do we enable projects to be grown in systems that are regenerative so we're looking at regeneratively produced ingredients. The second opportunity we call them design opportunities is thinking about diverse ingredients. So we know that today 60% of the calories that we consume come from for crops for for crops. And so we know that for nature to thrive. Diversity is absolutely key. If you look at natural ecosystems, they're full of lots and lots of different types of plants with different varieties of plants. And so diversification of ingredients is one of the key ways in which we think that you can you can instil that in the design decision. So you might think, think about potatoes, for example, you go into the supermarket. And I don't know about you, but you're faced with, I don't know, five or six different kinds of essentially white potatoes. Occasionally, you might get a Red Rooster. They're really exciting. They roast very well. But out there, they're about four and a half 1000 varieties of potatoes. So if we think about the how many potatoes are produced, globally, if we could introduce some diversification into those think about the resilience that it would bring back into natural landscapes and the variety and the and the diversity that we would be able to be able to have. So diverse diversifying ingredients is a really key part of the framework. So

 

Pippa Shawley  10:40

So we've heard about the need for a food system underpinned by regenerative agriculture and production, and why we should use diverse ingredients. Next, Reniera sets out the opportunities around lower impact and upcycled ingredients. 

 

Reniera O'Donnell  10:54

Another part of the framework is around lower impact ingredients. So we hear a lot today around the kind of quick wins in moving from animal based proteins into plants, plant based proteins is less meat, eat better quality meat, eat more plants. And absolutely, that is part of the lower impact opportunity here. But we also need to think about looking at the different impact plants have on the land. So a classic example would be and I think we put this in, you know, in the report that we had, like, let's take a wheat based cereal, my children live off weed based cereal, so I know them very well. But if you swapped out some of that wheat flour and introduced a legume based flower, so for example, a green pea flower, you could ask your farmers to be planting 60% wheats 40% Peas intercropped with each other, which would then enable the peas to lock nitrogen in the soil meaning the farmer didn't have to use external inputs for fertiliser. So you are lowering the impact that those plants have on the landscape. So really thinking about the types of plants and the impact that they have on the landscape in which they are being grown. And some of that might actually be as simple as growing the right plant in the right geography and that would lower the impact. The last opportunity is about upcycled ingredients. Now. You know, eliminating waste is one of the key principles of the circular economy. And we hear a lot again around eliminating food loss and waste and but a lot of that is around once the food product has left the farm and it's been made into something else. So we think about the supermarket's who are redistributing surplus food we think about surplus food in the food production system and how that is used by other by other organisations. But there's a we haven't really focused on what we call kind of onfarm crop residue so that the residue that is left from the growing process or inedible crop residue, so you think about all your banana peels and your orange peels and, and things like that. And, you know, there is a real opportunity to provide more value for farmers in being able to valorize their crop residues, but also to be able to use those crop residues for ingredients which mean that then land can be not used for farming. And a really great example of that is currently every year there's about 2.8 billion tonnes worth of crop residue, which is like massive, right? And if we use less than one and a half percent of that and we took the sugars out of it, so we extracted sucrose, we could make glucose syrup, and that would cover the global requirement for glucose syrup. Meaning that actually, you know a huge tracts of land would not have to be planted for sugar cane sugar beet or corn for corn syrup to be able to produce glucose syrup. So again, thinking about how we can make best use both financially and from a land perspective of what is currently not being seen as either edible or what's currently being seen as waste.

 

Pippa Shawley  13:50

So a circular design for food is a framework that enables us to put nature at the heart of decisions, applying circular economy principles to every choice, from product concepts to packaging, to ingredient sourcing and selection. As Reinera says it uses ingredients that are diverse, low impact and upcycled. All underpinned by regenerative production. Regenerative is a bit of a buzzword at the moment. But what does it mean? Philippe Birker co founder of climate farmers, an organisation working to scale regenerative agriculture in Europe, and Catherine Chong taught me through regenerative agriculture and regenerative production.

 

Philippe Birker  14:31

For me, it's a very simple one. regenerative agriculture is for me agriculture, which regenerates the soil health. That's it. Like essentially it's just I always say it's just the mindset shift from a focus on yield to a focus on soil health. If you are increasing your soil health, then you are regenerating your local ecosystem inadvertently.

 

Catherine Chong  14:51

So yes, regenerative productions I think it encourages us to look at the whole food system as a whole and also in its component parts, such that when we look at the interactions of the activities relating to production with people and nature, we are able to hit the nail on the head, so to speak, when addressing the impacts of depleting natural resources and climate change, such as mitigation strategies, and that means that we looked at the food production system consisting of agricultural practices. That is what happened at farm gate alongside forestry and other land use change. And also pre gate activities such as fertiliser manufacturing, and post farm gate such as processing, packaging, retailing, and the waste that goes along the whole production chain. 

 

Pippa Shawley  15:48

Other than farmers, who do we need to get on board to change the system. Reinera says there's no silver bullet.

 

Reniera O'Donnell  15:55

I think, you know, all the players along the food value chain have got a huge role to play. You know, our research shows that in the EU in the UK, the top 10 fast moving consumer goods, companies and retailers have influence over 40% of the agricultural land within those geographies. So if you think about then the influence that those big companies, big food companies and retailers have, and if they all included circular design for food, and how they design products, and therefore how they sourced ingredients, the impact that that could have on the landscape will be massive. But they can't do that without having farmers who have the knowledge, the equipment and the finances to be able to actually produce ingredients in a more regenerative way. And that then starts to link back to Okay, well, how are we going to maybe repurpose subsidies so that we're actually pushing public money into supporting a more regenerative approach to how we grow and produce our food. And then there's the small innovators along the way, there's all the, you know, the supply chain. So I think it's really hard to say that there is a single bullet, I think, you know, EMF, we're all about systems. And this is one classic case where unless the whole system moves and works together, we are not going to see the scale of change that we know that our soil and our biodiversity needs.

 

Pippa Shawley  17:22

In this episode, we've heard how our current food system is eroding soil health, damaging ecosystems, and contributing to the pressing global challenges of biodiversity loss and climate change. But we've also learned that through better design, and by applying Circular Economy principles in this sector, we can create a food system that regenerates nature, while still generating enough abundance to feed an ever growing global population, that's expected to grow to 10 billion by 2057. If you'd like to explore this topic further, listen back to our redesigning food series, which will link to in the show notes. Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, then please consider sharing it or leaving a review to help spread the word. See you next time.